Interview med tyske klimacamp-aktivister
Udgivet: Wednesday 13 August 2008 15:55 af Autonom Info Service
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Område:
hamburg
- Ved den kommende klima-camp i Hamburg, d. 15 - 24.august 2008, initieret af aktivister fra den radikale venstrefløj, står sammenhængen mellem klimaopvarmning og de sociale årsager og følgevirkninger i forgrunden af debatten. I forbindelse med lejren er der bl.a. planlagt aktioner mod kulkraftværket i Hamburgs bydel Moorburg og i byens lufthavn. I lejren deltager også aktivister fra Danmark og Sverige.
"Klimaforandringen er ikke bare et økologisk problem - det er også et socialt problem"... - et interview med to aktivister fra klima-lejren, Ines og Tadzio
autonom blok i Heiligendamm, juni 2007
Ines: Denne klima-camp er ikke den eneste lejr, der finder sted i denne sommer. Men naturligvis ser vi os i en kontekst med Heiligendamm. For det første skal klima-campen videreføre bevægelsens dynamik og bredden fra Heiligendamm. For det andet er en mere intens beskæftigelse med klimatemaet også resultat af en kritisk analyse af protesterne fra Heiligendamm.
- Er Heiligendamm mobiliseringerne grunden til, at den radikale venstrefløj beskæftiger sig med dette tema?
Tadzio: Via klima-temaet kunne G8-topmødet skabe sig en ny legitimation. Det kunne lade sig gøre, fordi den radikale venstrefløj for det meste har ignoreret dette tema. Diskursen om klimaet bliver spændt for en bestemt vogn ("instrumentaliseret"). Når jeg gik på café sidste vinter, kom samtalen på nabobordene før eller siden altid til at dreje sig om klimaforandringen: `Vinteren var før hen koldere, årstiderne forandrer sig`...
Ines: Temaet beskæftiger menneskerne. Her er en chance for den radikale venstrefløj til at formidle sin grundlæggende kritik af den eksisterende samfundsmodel. Noget lignende har økologibevægelsen i 1980`erne forsøgt.
- I forberedelsesteksterne til klima-campen nævnes økologibevægelsen knapt nok. Er det udtryk for en radikal afgrænsning?
Ines: Der eksisterer ingen afgrænsning, naturligvis knytter vi på en bestemt måde an på spørgsmålene og erfaringerne fra den økologiske bevægelse. Men det drejer sig også helt klart ikke om en "genoplivning" af tidligere perspektiver. Den økologiske bevægelses erfaringer har vist, hvor let kravene til økologiske og naturbeskyttende problemer bliver indoptaget og forfladiget. For os drejer det sig ikke isoleret om at værne om naturen. Klimaforandringen er ikke bare et økologisk problem - det er også et socialt problem".
- At forbinde de økologiske og de sociale problemer kræves også af Forbundsregeringen?
Tadzio: ...Samtidigt med at de bygger nye kulkraftværker. Regeringen taler meget om klimabeskyttelsesforanstaltninger, men samtidigt støtter de en vækst - og investitionsfremmende politik.
Ines: Den klimaændring, som vi oplever idag, er resultatet af kapitalismen. Når dette bliver ignoreret som hos De Grønne og de økologiske forbund, er der kun lappeløsninger tilbage.
- Problemet kan altså kun virkeligt blive løst, når kapitalismen afskaffes? Lyder ikke særlig sandsynligt...
Tadzio: Kapitalismen har i hele dens historie vist sig at være utroligt fleksibel. Hvorfor skulle den ikke også muliggøre en `grøn` kapitalisme? Spørgsmålet er dog, til hvis fordel det er og hvem, der bærer omkostningerne? Klimaforandringerne uddyber de eksisterende uligheder, den økologiske og sociale deklassering/usikkerhed (prekariætet), som milliarder af mennesker lever i.
- Men hvad kan den enkelte så gøre? Er det fuldstændigt ligegyldigt, om folk hyppigere slukker lyset derhjemme eller er bevidst om, hvornår de ville benytte deres bil?
Tadzio: Om jeg slukker mit lys i fem minutter har i bedste fald en symbolsk virkning - men meget mere afgørende er, om strømmen fortsat kommer fra kulkraftværket. Virkelige ændringer kan kun opnås kollektivt.
- Hvordan kan det komme til at se ud i praksis? I invitationsteksten til klima-campen kræves der retten til adgang til energi og en bortvenden fra den fossile industrialisme. Det lytter utopisk...
Ines: Det er derfor vi har orgaiseret denne klima-camp. Vi må diskutere sådanne ideer. Men også afprøve dem i praksis. Specielt indenfor autonome klima-grupper findes der en fortrolig omgang med alternative hverdagspraktikker, med alternativ dyrkning af fødevarer, med alternativ produktion af energi.
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(Interviewet er oprindeligt offentliggjort i det tyske progressive dagblad TAZ, den 13.08.2008, oversat og let redigeret af folk fra autonom info-service).
link
Adresse og program for klima-lejren i Hamburg ( tysk og engelsk):
klimaX
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